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  Why I like Jehovah's Witnesses

  by undercover witness in

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  i keep reading that jehovah's witnesses are in effect monsters.

  i keep reading that they kinda leave chaos and distrust in their wake.

  so i simply wondered if anyone had anything nice to say about them?.

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  undercover witness

  I keep reading that Jehovah's Witnesses are in effect monsters.  I keep reading that they kinda leave chaos and distrust in their wake.  So I simply wondered if anyone had anything nice to say about them?

  Why I Like Jehovah's Witnesses

  I am not an official Witness.  I am therefore Undercover.  They wouldn't let me join their organisation with a cigarette in my mouth.  It's unhygienic and sets a bad example to the kids.  Quite right too.  So if I bump into Witnesses on the street I don't smoke in front of them lest they go and get the hump.
  
  However, there are many reasons why I like Jehovah's Witnesses wherever they may be. They know the essential validity of the Bible and from all of the versions of the Bibles, their's is the only one that makes any actual sense.  They know the reality of the Creator and even what His name means.  They know a con from most of the world's religions when they see it too.  They know the prophecies in the Bible and pretty much what they mean and what is on the horizon and beyond.  Not everything they say or do, nor everything they believe, stands up to examination from the heart, but the vast majority of what they say about the Bible is correct and can be demonstrated by them from every version of the Bible.  And they mean you well. Without hatred in their hearts nor money on their minds.
  
  It takes drive and determination to go out in all weathers and keep knocking at everybody's door.  They do it for a reason.  They have got some stunning information.  They know what the so-called 'Good News' actually is.  So hats off to them, I say.  It is a shame most people think they are mad.  They aren't any madder than all of us, though, just very, very driven by and towards our Creator. They have been told to do it by scripture and won't give up until this world's way of doing things ends.
  
  

  So hats off to Witnesses because they mean goodness not harm.  Above all I like Witnesses because they are my fellow human beings and that's reason enough to like anyone.
  
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  "Jehovah ALWAYS had/used an organization". How would you reply?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in a recent meeting with elders, an argument was used to the effect that jehovah has always [= throughout history] used, or operated through, an organization; therefore, the wts must be that organization today, since god must be using one.

  naturally, i know what arguments i've used to counter that argument.

  but i'm interested in hearing yours.

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  undercover witness

  Here's my answer for what it's worth.
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  If the historical Jesus was simply human, would YOU be a Christian ?

  by EdenOne in

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  2. friends

  i've been reading a lot lately about the historical jesus, and the latest archaeological findings and what a comparative, horizontal, reading of the 4 canonic gospels actually do tell us about the historical jesus and his teachings.

  pick your side, but let me ask you this, because that's the core question i have been asking myself lately:.

  if the historical jesus wasn't the son of god, but simply a human prophet with no previous super-human existence, hence, merely the "son of man", with very appealing teachings, but no previous super-human existence, hence, not "son of god" as we commonly believe as jw's, would you still be a christian?

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  undercover witness

  I've gotta sign wot says:

  'Lunatic here.'

  Guess wot?  Got another one wot says:
  

  'The end is coming.'

  So when it does I can put down this sign and replace with one wot says

  'Told Ya, didn't I?  But would you listen?  No you fekkin' wouldn't so don't come to me moaning now you've had yer tits blown orf.'

  It might be slightly bigger though.
  
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  New Article in JW.ORG "Should Christians Drink Tea?"

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
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  should christians drink tea?.

  would you like a cup of tea?.

  this seemingly innocent question has been asked countless times, and is regarded as a gesture of courtesy and hospitability in many parts of the world, in both eastern and western culture.

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  You know you've just accidentally described Mormonism, don't you?  I like to think of myself as Christian in ethic, ie, do to others, etc, but I do have to take time out for a cuppa every now and then.  Oh, the tutting of the Mormons and the hiding of the tea cups.

  Eden - can I ask you a quick question?  Have some JWs somewhere along the line gone and got up your nose?

  Gotta say you've done a very good job of demonstrating your point of view.  It's hilarious. 

  Would chat longer but the kettle's on.
  
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  YAWEHLAND - Imagine a country where Jehovah's Witnesses are the majority

  by EdenOne in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in 2018, cyprus goes bankrupt (again).

  many of its inhabitants, lacking jobs and prospectives of a better future, emigrate to more prosperous countries.

  cyprus' society is on the brink of collapse.

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  Hey Eden,  you is doomed.
  
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  YAWEHLAND - Imagine a country where Jehovah's Witnesses are the majority

  by EdenOne in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in 2018, cyprus goes bankrupt (again).

  many of its inhabitants, lacking jobs and prospectives of a better future, emigrate to more prosperous countries.

  cyprus' society is on the brink of collapse.

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  Hello.  May I take this further down the line to the day when, post apocalypse, Christians become the only human  force on earth.  Were it left to humans only then possibly a great deal of speculation here would prove correct.  We'd truly be sailing right up shit street without a paddle or rudder.

  So I'm very curious about the mechanisms that could be used to bring out paradise in real effect.  I wonder how homelessness and sickness, etc, etc could be done away with?

  However, Eden, if the Governing Body were to hold true to their word then were they to become the majority and the government of Cyprus they would have to leave the EU as all nations are erroneous.  Therefore they would have to leave Cyprus on the same basis. They would have to hand Cyprus back to the Creator 'coz it's His really.
  

  This leaves one humourous concept which probably gets me barred fom Kingdom Halls everywhere:  What the heck are they doing in any country if they don't like nations?  Maybe the Governing Body could join NASA and set their sights further afield? Oh no, there's a flaw in this plan.  Man is gonna live on earth forever. 

  Perhaps they need to start digging, eh?
  
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  Canada : Supreme Court won't hear case of man who sued parents, Mormon church over rites

  by yalbmert99 in

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  2. current

  canada : supreme court won't hear case of man who sued parents, mormon church over rites.

  jan. 15, 2015. http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/supreme-court-wont-hear-case-of-man-who-sued-parents-mormon-church-over-rites.

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  Hello.  Am very curious having once been a member of this group.  I personally witnessed the extreme, almost suicidal emotions that the Bishopric engendered in some people.  I was what they call Ward Clerk.
  

  The Mormon rituals can seem bizarre to many, and indeed some are actually beyond comprehension among the sane and sound of mind.  I cannot myself claim to be of sound mind entirely since my involvement with the LDS Church but you have to admit that they make really posh temples, eh?

  Apparently me and my missus here in the UK can't pop off to heaven now or have our own planet to play on 'coz we never got married in the Celestial-thingy-place-where-you-gotta-get-married-or-else-you-ain't-goin'-nowhere-when-you-snuffs-it room upstairs.  This is because Mormons preach that Jehovah has a planet called Kolob and if we behave we can have one and be God as well.  This is Mormon doctrine in one phrase.
  

  Now if that doesn't leave you of slightly unsound mind then nothing will.

  So can entirely comprehend why this person wants to sue the Mormon Church.  As for suing his parents, perhaps simply pointing out that we are in fact all slightly insane on this planet may help his heart grow just a little fonder towards them, but I don't know his situation so cannot offer any guidance, were it needed, without appearing to be telling some-one what to do. I do not presume to do so.
  

  Let's hope he gets better and continues to breath the life God gave him.  One thing I personally learned and wholeheartedly state:  Keep well away from the LDS.  They do not know what is going on and their dogma makes no logical sense.  I am not anti-Christian and love to hear anyone label themselves Christian.  It gets even better when they try to do to others what they want done to themselves. But when men or dodgy intellect get together in groups with a dogmatic mind they sometimes go insane and often think they can run the place on the Creator's behalf.  They cannot.  No amount of ideological stuff makes up for the harm it causes when applied to the mind that will be harmed by it.  Too many religious zealots and over enthusiastic evangelisers seem oblivious to this..

  The fact that Mormons can be demonstrated to hold a view that it not entirely correct does not make them monsters, however, nor anything like it, so I make no suggestion that they are.  The vast majority are genuine good hearted folk who are sincerely seeking Christ and our Creator.  So in that regard I wish them good luck, truly, but would recommend all Mormons think properly about what they are saying.  One of the arguments used by a Mormon elder I knew as proof that the Book or Mormon is true is that it contains thousands of wars and no-one could make that lot up.  Hmmmm....only one Mormon view among millions but the fact that this statement is used as any kind of proof shows that Mormons are not correctly taught else this statement would be unutterable by any Mormon. 

  But overall, like most on this planet, they mean no harm but only benefit to their fellow human.  This is also very true of Jehovah's Witnesses.  We are all of distorted mind.
  
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  What do YOU desperately need, but you've been putting it off?

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  2. friends

  i don't know why, but i put off getting a haircut way longer than i should.. i might go as long as 5 or 6 months between haircuts.. i desperately need a haircut.. what do you desperately need, but you've been putting it off?.

  (disclaimer: minimus is going to be jealous.

  this sort of question is his tradmark :).

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  undercover witness

  I probably desperately need something along the lines of a lobotomy I suspect.  Have been putting it off for quite a while but suppose I should get around to it.  Seize the day, so to speak.